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  • Dec. 1st, 2007 at 10:11 PM
if I were me
We did manage to get out of the house last night--dinner at TupTim Thai, and yum. And then Beowulf. (Which is good, because I don't think anyone is planning on leaving the house again until work on Monday. Thar be sleeting outside. I opened the door to grab a package off the porch, and it smelled like snow. Which is good, because there was snow-like substance on the ground. But mostly I thought--while I enjoy the smell of snow, because there's really nothing like it in the world, I do not enjoy snow, for it symbolizes a period of dark and drear, and while we never end up actually housebound due to snow, sometimes I wish that was the option instead of having to haul our butts through it for the next three months.)

I should probably write an actual essay about Beowulf some day, but for now I'll distill it to two paragraphs.

First, my reaction as the credits rolled: +150 points for having Grendel speak in Old English. -EVERYTHING ELSE for the song over the closing credits. [info]dwinn or [info]splash_the_cat id'd it as "anime-esque." That did not work for me.

Second--well, second is a bit longer. And maybe spoilery. But, the poem is like 1500 years old, and the twists in the movie plot aren't that unexpected. So, I'll leave this uncut for now. Second: are the concepts of the ring-giver and the peace-weaver, and the values of generosity and heroism in Anglo-Saxon society so darn difficult for modern audiences to grasp that we had to have this complex mess of motivations for Beowulf and Hrothgar and Wealhtheow? Is it really so hard for modern audiences to connect with another society's notions of right and wrong that the writers had to overlay a vague, weak, overly-obvious, sex-based plot?

Okay, for one thing, I think that nearly any Anglo-Saxon would think that sleeping with a hot demoness would be a price they'd be happy to pay in order to become a great hero. That's how important heroism was. That's how unimportant sleeping with hot demonesses probably would have been. The whole point of why Grendel and his mum were monsters was because they were descended of kin-slayers, which is why Unferth is such a complex and interesting character (being a kin-slayer himself)--further, the other reason Grendel is a monster is because he's got no society. No comrades. No mead-hall. Are themes of social isolation and kin-slaying versus loyalty and the value of friendship bonds too boring? Because you can't have Angelina's boobs on display if that's the way you go?

What about greed? Because the dragon in Beowulf is supposed to be the big monster because he's a hoarder who doesn't share, and in a society where you had to get along to go along, it was imperative that you not be looking out for yourself and hoarding shit. Dragon was a big damn insult to an Anglo-Saxon. And the movie almost, almost drew the connection; Grendel's mum had a hoard. She wanted that drinking horn. But it didn't work, not really, because the message was clearly about corrupt leadership, the choices Beowulf and Hrothgar made. Am I wrong to think it would have been much, much more interesting if it had been about the choices and the values of the whole society? I keep thinking of Wiglaf berating the faithless and cowardly at the end of the poem. Isn't that more the moral message we need in this time? That we need to stand up to greed and corruption and not just assume that some random hero is going to handle the dragons?

So. Fine. We do live in a world where Beowulfian style heroism is just... not even possible. To consider, let alone believe in. Nor is it really interesting. So, I can see complicating things, as the writer. I just don't know if I would have gone about it in quite the same way.

(Okay, I lied. We're well away from just one paragraph here.)

Alright.

The only other thing to say is, [info]dannimal suggested splicing together all the "THIS IS SPARTA!" and "I AM BEOWULF!" bits in existence, and playing off a whole "Who are you?" "Where am I?" video. But neither of us are going to do *that*. Maybe someone already has.

We came home and watched a little tv and promptly went to bed early like some sort of old people. We got up at 8 and did chores, which prompted Dann to observe with amazement how much we'd done by 9:30. After that, thought, we stopped doing things, and felt like appropriate slugs by 1:30. I spent the rest of the day rearranging the pantry and figuring out what sort of things I'd like to be baking for the holiday season. (I think we'll take a page from a [info]robinmckinley character and go for cinnamon rolls, though probably not as big as anyone's head.) I played "Guess what this unlabeled jar of white stuff is?" and I think the chickpea flour has gone off, or else chick pea flour tastes like crap. I honestly don't know which is the right answer, but it is kind of old.

I made stuffed shells for dinner, and tried Sundried Tomato Cottage Cheese Muffins, which were not a big hit with either of us. Either more parmesan or more salt or more muffin-like qualities (more flour) or better sundried tomatoes or maybe I just won't bother trying again. I haven't decided yet. Honestly, olives might be the answer... I will feed them to the kids on Monday, I think.

We inherited a box of rice pudding mix awhile ago, and I finally did something with it, doctoring it up with coconut, cardamom, allspice, golden raisins and pistachios. Which made it palatable to me, and made it unpalatable to [info]dannimal. Funny how these things go.

I'm trying to make the ultimate dark chocolate/dark chocolate chip cookie, and I can't quite figure out how to approach it. Suggestions?

Comments

[info]dwinn wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 05:28 am (UTC)
I would use the Good Eats Chewy recipe - http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_13617,00.html - and replace the recommended amount of semisweet chips with 50-100% more of the dark chocolate chips.
[info]coraa wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 05:47 am (UTC)
I haven't seen Beowulf, so I probably shouldn't comment... but that was just about my reaction. (Well, my first eye-roll was at the need to make a monstrous female character into a sexy, temptress-style demon monster -- is it really that impossible to imagine a female monster who isn't evil by way of seduction?) I just think it's a lot more interesting to maintain the conflict and ethical basis of the original (greed, the importance of community, etc.) in all its alien-ness than to downplay them and replace them with a modern set of ethics about leadership and temptation.

Beowulf is as interesting, to me, for its portrayal of a culture different than mine as it is for its adventure. No, not as interesting -- more interesting.
[info]fairmer wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
Yes, *more* interesting. We've already understood the corruption of leaders for a real long time now.
[info]redmomoko wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 04:56 pm (UTC)
I'd start with a *really* good baking cocoa for the batter- dutch process- Penzey's spices makes an excellent baking cocoa
[info]fairmer wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
Well, that's part of the problem--I have chocolate to melt and not cocoa.
[info]redmomoko wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)
Well, then maybe modify a brownie recipe?
[info]fairmer wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 06:15 pm (UTC)
Hm....

I think we're past my culinary skills with that thought. If brownie is failed cake, how do you make it a cookie? (I'm not really asking. I'll do some research.)

How's moving going?
[info]mrgeddylee wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2007 07:58 pm (UTC)
Beowulf
I think you'd need a lot more time and a rewrite to get anything cultural across. I haven't actually read the original, but my understanding is that the cultural context is something you learn when they teach Beowulf, not something spelled out in the text. That means you need a framing story that can convey all the cultural stuff. Critchton almost had it right in The Eaters of the Dead (the novel that The Thirteenth Warrior was based on) - bring in a character from a totally different culture and make someone explain everything to him. Sadly I think that the resulting movie would be too talky for the action movie audience and too bloody for the talky folks. But if someone makes it, I'll go see it.

My big problem with this year's Beowful movie was the performance capture technology. At times it was great, but at other times it seemed like I was watching a cut-scene from Diablo II. The changing quality of the animation sucked me in and then out of the story, and kept me from just lying back and enjoying it.
[info]fairmer wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2007 01:55 am (UTC)
Re: Beowulf
I don't think it needs to be that talky to explain that greed is bad and giving is good. They almost conveyed it in the first few minutes in Heorot, except the choice was obviously made to push Hrothgar over the edge into something silly and contemptible.

And yeah, I did have at least two moments where I stared in disbelief at the screen and thought to myself, "I can't believe Crichton did it so much better."
[info]mrgeddylee wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Beowulf
Greed == bad would be an easy sell, agreed. However you wrote a whole paragraph there about the importance of heroism in Anglo-Saxon society, and kin-slaying, and society, and some of those things would be trickier. Modern audiences have a few decades of movies in which a hero is someone who gets other people killed. To my ears, Beowulf's bit about "these men will die for glory" made him sound like an ass, but I gather that in his culture, it was every bit as cool as when the guys in a modern war movie talk about dying for their buddies. How do you get around that except by taking time in the movie to set the cultural context?
[info]fairmer wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2007 01:57 am (UTC)
Re: Beowulf
Also, I got (more) okay with the animation once I told myself to stop thinking about it as anything other than a cartoon.

But you know what bugs me most about the motion capture? All the clothing moved like skin.
[info]joytulip wrote:
Dec. 4th, 2007 12:48 am (UTC)
See, Merrie, this is why I love you - because you can't help but write about stuff in a smart way. No simple movie review from you. There must be cross-cultural critique and symbolic analysis. It warms my little literary heart.

I make half whole wheat-dark chocolate chip-oatmeal-pecan cookies that Anthony and I enjoy immensely, but I can't find the recipe. It's adapted from my mom's traditional chocolate chip cookie recipe, so if you're interested, let me know and I can get it from her.
[info]fairmer wrote:
Dec. 4th, 2007 04:42 am (UTC)
Aw, you warm my literary heart, too...

I would definitely take the cookie recipe. :)
[info]joytulip wrote:
Dec. 4th, 2007 04:54 am (UTC)
Choc. Chip Cookies

1 Cup Butter or Shortening
1 Cup Brown Sugar
1 Cup White Sugar
2 eggs
2 Cups flour (I use one white, one whole wheat)
1/2 tsp. salt
1 tsp. soda
1/2 tsp. baking powder
1 Cup Dark Chocolate Chips
1 Cup Oatmeal
1 Cup Pecan Pieces

Mix butter, sugar, and add eggs. Add flour, salt, soda, and baking powder. Mix. Then add oatmeal, chips, and nuts. Bake at 350 degrees for about 10-12 minutes.
[info]tacithydra wrote:
Feb. 2nd, 2008 09:00 pm (UTC)
The only other thing to say is, dannimal suggested splicing together all the "THIS IS SPARTA!" and "I AM BEOWULF!" bits in existence, and playing off a whole "Who are you?" "Where am I?" video. But neither of us are going to do *that*. Maybe someone already has.

(Saw your name in the poll results and wandered over. Hi!)

[info]fairmer wrote:
Feb. 3rd, 2008 04:39 am (UTC)
OMG, brilliant! Thank you!

(I found the poll from Gwenda Bond's journal)
[info]tacithydra wrote:
Feb. 3rd, 2008 04:57 am (UTC)
No prob! =D

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